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Professor Clio
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2014.08.07 05:59:00 -
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Cherry Yeyo wrote:http://imgur.com/gallery/EfzOmpy Since the last thread got derailed and locked by two dudes bickering please try to stay on topic. The topic is highsec mercs vs. RVB. RVB won the first round but it looks like they got outshipped and blobbed on round 2. https://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=24702572I dont see any logi on the merc side, is this one cohesive fleet with one commander and one comms or does everyone bring what they want and hope it pans out?
There's something off with that BR because we killed lots of BBs and exeqs before bailing in that fight.
Anyway, fun war. We took the pocos we wanted, added a couple of dead POSes for good measure. Killed some dudes, lost some dudes. WTs surrendered to us last night so it'll be over in a few hours.
Props to everyone involved for bringing the fights. Both sides enjoyed themseves. The GSE guys in particular where impressive. Maybe a few will join RvB after this. |
Professor Clio
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2014.08.07 12:07:00 -
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Tora Bushido wrote: Spieszzzz everywhere !
Especially in RvB, our screening procedures consist of hitting the "accept corp application" button. But that's OK, I reckon the spies have fun in our fleets and stay afterwards |
Professor Clio
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2014.08.07 12:43:00 -
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Tora Bushido wrote:Wasnt talking about having spies in RvB. Thats easy. They even kick you and allow you back in the other alliance. I was talking about the RvB spies in our fleets.
You give us too much credit tora. We're much too lazy to use spies. (Then again that's what I'd say if we did use spies!) |
Professor Clio
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2014.08.07 13:33:00 -
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I'm not, there's by definition a lot of let's called them less than experienced pilots in RvB who don't know it's not a good idea to mission while at war or to take their full hauler into Jita with marmite in system. I believe at the start of the other thread I predicted we'd end up losing the ISK war against marmite. Still, we're up 2-1 ISK wise when you lump all the WTs together so we're happy with the result. |
Professor Clio
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2014.08.07 14:07:00 -
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Tora Bushido wrote:
Fun : RvB, GSE and Mercs for sure !
And that's the important part. Reminded me of our Uni wars actually. With extra POCO repping ops |
Professor Clio
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2014.08.07 20:19:00 -
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Saeger1737 wrote: I'm now waiting on RvB and Ivy versus Merc Core to happen.
Cheers to all.
THREE WAY HIGHSEC BATTLE ROYALE!
We would totally go for that. |
Professor Clio
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2014.08.08 05:06:00 -
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Iam Widdershins wrote:Multiboxer neutral logi hisec scrublord noob pve carebear here. Round 1 had so little organization that I didn't even hear about it until everyone had already died. Round 1.5 bailed when it became apparent that we were going to die in a fire because there was no organization, hence the first few lost POCOs. Round 2 was a good fight. Professor Clio wrote:We took the pocos we wanted, added a couple of dead POSes for good measure. Killed some dudes, lost some dudes. WTs surrendered to us last night so it'll be over in a few hours. The way I heard it, you guys negotiated to end the war before the timers ended on your POCOs to avoid their inevitable loss. I don't know who takes whichever side initiated the surrender as word of law declaring a winner to the war. Alex generally takes the initiative in settling negotiations like this, and what matters is that you accepted the surrender and when you took it. I myself was pretty disappointed you wanted the war ended so soon, was looking forward to winning round 3.
There were 6 poco timers tonight before the war ended. Not a single war target showed up. But tell yourself what you need to to feel superior, that's fine. |
Professor Clio
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2014.08.08 05:16:00 -
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Iam Widdershins wrote:Professor Clio wrote:There were 6 poco timers tonight before the war ended. Not a single war target showed up. But tell yourself what you need to to feel superior, that's fine. We weren't there because we were asked nicely by your Great Leader to leave your **** alone. I would have been all over that if it were up to me, but Alex told us to leave it be Why don't you ask about it yourself?
You're saying we accepted the surrender to save pur pocos, but the timers were all before war end anyway, so that theory clearly makes no sense. I actually know why Alex told you to not to bother with them, do you? |
Professor Clio
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2014.08.08 11:04:00 -
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What's rich is getting all this postering from a guy who didn't even fight during the war!
You keep saying you would have destroyed us but remember, fight three was not on a timer. We decided to take it anyway, but only your side was aware of when it would be. On a timer, we would have formed up properly, in larger numbers since we would have know about it on advance. Now maybe wed have still lost, maybe not. Now we won't know.
As for whatever you "expect" from us, I couldn't care less |
Professor Clio
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2014.08.08 11:24:00 -
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I'm the director in charge of third party wars. And one of RvBs main FCs (though I didn't FC this war, my newborn's been keeping me busy) I have all the information about exactly what went down. You clearly don't. You have exactly 3 kills and 1 loss against RvB ever. What I see here is a guy trying to pretend he's relevant. So normal C&P posting I suppose. |
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Professor Clio
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2014.08.08 11:25:00 -
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And yes, the privilege of owning toras corpse has some people willing to pay silly amounts. |
Professor Clio
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2014.08.08 11:32:00 -
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Tora Bushido wrote:Aivo Dresden wrote:Tora Bushido wrote:Professor Clio wrote:What's rich is getting all this postering from a guy who didn't even fight during the war! Euhh....you might want to check the round 2 killmails I can't see him on there either. People have alts though so I take it a grain of salt. I think you should also know Tora, your corpse is currently one of the highest valued items going around RvB. :D Widershine was the FC who destroyed your feroxes. And yes, I know about the corps. And because that's fun, I have a gift for Tele soon.
Then that's even more confusing. Means he had someone on our comms during the fight? Did he not hear us say that we were taking the fight for fun despite not being ready and that wed have a much better response on the actual timer?
Maybe it was him wanting to vet out of the war on a high note and being afraid to fight us on timer that led to the surrender eh? (See I know that's not the case, but it makes as much sense as his silly posturing)
I know tora at least has better Intel than that so I must be getting trolled. |
Professor Clio
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2014.08.08 11:41:00 -
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Iam Widdershins wrote:Well, as unflagging as your bravado seems to be, I'm merely pointing out that the people who have a say in these sort of things seemed to share my opinions of the likely outcome of a repeat engagement. Our tryout fleet pretty solidly creamed your 70+ doctrine gang, and based on the manner various ships on either side of the fight died during that engagement you would have needed somewhere near double the numbers to contest THAT fleet. Much less a reinforced timer-fleet the next day, even given timezone concerns. I could be wrong, but it's academic: the outcome of the fight would come down almost entirely to TZ shenanigans.
I'm not saying you failed or that you did badly, but the winds of fate were not with you that fight. The numbers were not there, and the weight of force was not on your end of the scales. Given the somewhat sub-optimal mix we got out of the joint fleet opposite you, it would have taken a significant escalation indeed to match the numbers we were likely to yield for the timer fleet.
I'm sure you've seen your share of rodeos, but you ain't the only clown out here.
See that post I can agree with. I'm the one who told tele that after one fight for fun we should pack it in and wait for the timers, but I can't agree that we'd have lost the next day, me might have, we might not have. We might not (probably wouldn't) have come in feroxes either, you clearly had them figured out at that point.
Anyway the tldr is that GSE decided to end the war. Presumably they decided that this war was just business on our end, and that they had more to lose than to gain by keeping it up. We should do this again though. The fights were fun, even the one we lost. |
Professor Clio
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2014.08.08 11:46:00 -
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Tora Bushido wrote:I know the full story and I think both sides are trying to make their own story, just a bit better looking then needed. The war is over, GSE and RvB are ok with it all. If it was a war from just Marmites, then it would be my call. But since it wasn't, I will respect the current situation and move on. And yes, we were on comms, in fleet, on the forums, in the shoutbox, in your lunch box, etc etc etc. But I guess you already knew that.
Wise words. And yes. The amount of spies we have pretty staggering. We've learned to work around it and we stopped caring years ago. Tell me, do you ever just come on your RvB spy alts and enjoy a relaxed fight or two? If you don't you should. |
Professor Clio
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2014.08.08 11:49:00 -
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Zemo Walden wrote:I'm guessing that Iam Widdershins is a Gevlon alt.
Now now. No need to insult the man. |
Professor Clio
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2014.08.08 12:26:00 -
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Iam Widdershins wrote:Zemo Walden wrote:I'm guessing that Iam Widdershins is a Gevlon alt. I didn't actually know who that was until now, but I guess I'll sub and read his stuff and see what it's all about huh.
Do yourself a favour and don't do that. You can ask tora about Gevlon if you're curious, I'm sure he has a lot of stories to tell.
As for why GSE ended the war, we're all entitled to our opinion. The only guy who really knows is the man who pushed the surrender button: alex. The rest of us are guessing at best based on what he told us. If he did decide to "let us live" after loosing all his alliance did, then he's the most generous man in eve. And I admit it might have been part of his motivation, but I'll still disagree that we had much of anything to lose. Any further conversation on that point is probably going to be sterile however. |
Professor Clio
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2014.08.08 12:28:00 -
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Iam Widdershins wrote: Project Nemesis, maybe you've heard of us?
Actually I have no idea who you are, but don't take that as an insult, I'm just not well informed about your world. I have too much keeping me busy in mine. |
Professor Clio
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2014.08.08 12:51:00 -
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Iam Widdershins wrote:We live in the same world as you, EVE is always surprising me what a small place it is. We've just not been too active the last couple years. Go back to 2009-2011, maybe during the great plague-wars of 2012, perhaps people would be more likely to recognize us. I don't mind either way. It's fun to be feared, and it's useful to be underestimated, unknown and ignored. Professor Clio wrote:I'll still disagree that we had much of anything to lose. Any further conversation on that point is probably going to be sterile however. Depending on how much you actually value POCOs, yeah. Individually they're pretty cheap and useless for all the fuss people buzz about them.
Plague wars? I have no idea what those are, but I'm kinda curious. I was active during the time you mention, and a name like that should have stuck with me. Got anything I can read on it? Unless you mean what we (RvB) used to call space aids? When uncontrollable wars were spreading through highsec? |
Professor Clio
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2014.08.08 13:07:00 -
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Iam Widdershins wrote:Professor Clio wrote:Plague wars? I have no idea what those are, but I'm kinda curious. I was active during the time you mention, and a name like that should have stuck with me. Got anything I can read on it? Unless you mean what we (RvB) used to call space aids? When uncontrollable wars were spreading through highsec? Not highsec, everywhere. It was a time shortly after the revision of the war mechanics, when the sub-war of a corporation leaving its alliance would end not when the parent war was going to end (as it did prior and as it does again now), but a full 7 days from the date of their departure--refreshing the timer. If said corporation then joined a different alliance, the war would then be against that alliance with the same, new duration. Any corp that left this new alliance in that week would repeat the process. For a mere couple hundred million to dec a midsize renter alliance, you could have free and innumerable self-propagating wars against practically every major nullsec alliance for many weeks at a time. Our alliance of not 2 dozen people had ~15k war targets at any given time and amassed some 300+ wars total in a span of about 8 weeks, killing more value in ISK in that timespan than I earned that year IRL, a solid chunk of it creditable to Freight Club and their renter pipe rampage. 'Twas a fun time.
Yes, I remember that, it was good fun. Flashies everywhere. We lost a lot of pods in Jita back then. (I mean even more than usual) |
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